• DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 days

    This leads to the government deciding which websites you can visit and cant visit down the line. This is a dystopian level of control and with surveillance already getting dystopian… Pick your dystopian technology book and decide which one we’re leading towards. Fascism policies are already on the rise in democratic worlds.

    • frongt@lemmy.zipEnglish
      11 days

      This doesn’t stem from a lack of understanding. It’s about corporations and control.

      • 4am@lemmy.zipEnglish
        11 days

        We need to stop believing the boomer’s framing that they’re all old and dumb, and start realizing that they’d eat us if we tasted good

          • crapwittyname@feddit.ukEnglish
            11 days

            Those cute sentient animals would eat us too if they were sapient. And we tasted good.

            • Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              11 days

              The difference is we pretend to be better than then, we know better and can usually do something about it.

              • BooBees@fedinsfw.appEnglish
                10 days

                I’m doing my part by only eating animals that are assholes

              • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
                10 days

                Each half of that sentence is diametrically opposed to the other.

                • yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  10 days

                  The thing that would make us better isn’t knowing; it’s doing. It makes sense to say that someone who knows better but behaves no better is literally no better.

                  Rationality is sensitivity and responsiveness to reasons, and plenty of folks are unresponsive to normative facts.

                  At least 70% of humans are just dangerously intelligent animals. Like imagine a polar bear that can drive and trade stocks. That’s the average person.

      • dracc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        11 days

        Can’t have those small-time AI startups gathering training data like the big boys do.

    • verdigris@lemmy.mlEnglish
      11 days

      No, we’re at the point where the people pushing these laws do understand how the Internet works, and they want to control all of it.

      • CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        11 days

        TIL expressVPN started as

        Crossrider started off by making a SDK for the deployment of browser extensions platforms with support for monetizing extensions. The monetization options were used by major [ad injectors which used man-in-the-browser to change or add advertisements to what users saw.

        JFC.

        • iamthetot@piefed.caEnglish
          11 days

          Proton has been good for me. CEO seems like a dick but I’m gonna be honest it’s getting pretty hard to support any tech company that doesn’t have a dick CEO.

          • No1@aussie.zoneEnglish
            10 days

            I had trouble with IVPN. They didn’t have many countries/servers, and ended up being blocked.

            Currently on ProtonVPN, and seems to be OK so far.

        • NekoKoneko@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11 days

          Mullvad is zero log and located in Sweden, and accepts payment in crypto to reduce traceable privacy footprint (which frankly is one of the real, relevant use-cases for crypto to further legitimate privacy needs).

          • im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish
            11 days

            Yeah but one of the guys that owns it is the primary funder of that nutty far right political group.

        • Übercomplicated@lemmy.mlEnglish
          10 days

          Proton, mullvad, air VPN, depending on threat case. NordVPN for torrenting specifically, but not as good for privacy etc.

          The most important thing is to check who owns the VPN (as the previous commentor said, stay away from Kape tech) and where it’s based (e.g., 14 eyes), as well as independent security audits and the company’s public history with government requests.

    • aim4harmony@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 days

      NextDNS is good and I just realised that it’s based in The US. The alternative ones don’t seem to provide the feature of granular filtering.

      • dmtalon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 days

        I use pihole+unbound right now and hoping that is unaffected

        • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          11 days

          i think you have to set up DoH with unbound to make it not be in cleartext? I dunno honestly I’m a dummy, but I’m fairly sure that it’s pretty tricky to get it totally secured. I guess I don’t understand why you can’t use ubound recursively but have its root.hints pointing as something like quad9 instead of all the actual root authoritative dns servers, theres like 13 of them and more than half are the US government.

  • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 days

    Like this will ever work. lol. Just don’t get VPN from a company that is headquartered in the US. Problem solved. There are a million other ways to bypass this. There will ALWAYS be away, they’re just trying to make it harder for the experienced, and impossible for your average Joe.

    • gandalfthewhite@lemmy.mlEnglish
      10 days

      The only way to stop it is buy severing all the cables and blowing up the infrastructure. They aren’t prepared to do that.

      • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10 days

        Literally. This is not a new “fight”. These corrupt, bribes-ridden fuckers have been “fighting” piracy since the inception of the internet, and they’ve always lost, and always lose.

    • tatterdemalion@programming.devEnglish
      10 days

      They could also force ISPs to ban VPN IPs that don’t comply with their piracy blocking rules, regardless of whether they’re in the US.

    • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      9 days

      This is the same party that are all for unregulated AI use and no consequences for breaking copyright to train it.

      This bill’s goal is to provide a standardized mechanism to filter sites then start blocking sites that state doesn’t approve.

      It’s same as the other “think of the children” bills of the party that is protecting pedophiles.

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10 days

    political theater. won’t happen because it’s unenforceable.

    • VPNs operate outside of federal control
    • ISPs leverage DNS blocking to censor which is laughable
    • DNS exists outside of the US

    if this does happen, IF, it has nothing to do with IP rights or protecting Americans. it has everything to do with censoring what the majority of common Americans read online. this is the first step towards blocking news outlets that won’t regurgitate whitehouse directives.

    • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10 days

      I’m a bit surprised they’ve gone with piracy as an excuse - usually it’s “Think of the children!” Maybe they’ve finally figured out that we already know that republicans are thinking of (molesting) the children so they’ve fallen back on “You wouldn’t download a car”.

    • rekabis@lemmy.caEnglish
      10 days
      • ISPs leverage DNS blocking to censor

      And blocking the IP address of the site in question, as well. That’s why so many “illegal” sites jump around IP addresses like a flea on a hot griddle. They’re trying to remain accessible whenever the ISP prevents direct access.

      Because if you block the IP address, blocking DNS is superfluous and performative – it’s just window dressing for better optics towards politicians who don’t understand tech. DNS censorship trivially bypassible by using custom DNS servers that aren’t affected by the censorship, while IP blocking hits everyone who is under that ISP regardless of their DNS settings - they need a VPN to bypass IP blocking.

      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10 days

        all that’s going to do is give them an excuse to block IPs outside the US by the block.

        keep an eye on the FCC and any legislation they take against HAM or SDR. without that it would be difficult to have any comms outside the US.

        • rekabis@lemmy.caEnglish
          10 days

          No, IP blocking is widespread in most places, it’s just that “rights holder” lawsuits go after the domain name, first, both in terms of the registrar and DNS. They also force ISPs to block IP addresses, but this is more of a whack-a-mole prospect so it’s usually a second-order method.

  • rafoix@lemmy.zipEnglish
    11 days

    If piracy was a problem I can find them multiple international corporations that are well know for using copyrighted content to train their LLM without paying for it or having permission from the owner of that content.

    • mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 days

      This is a special kind of irony: someone is lambasting one group for piracy while simultaneously advocating for another group to do essentially the same thing for their own benefit.

      They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?

      I’m not supporting the idea of pirating data for LLM training. I’m just saying: don’t be a hypocrite simply because a group of people you dislike is doing the same thing you’re doing, for the same reasons.

      • NotSteve_@lemmy.caEnglish
        10 days

        They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?

        One group is poor individuals and the other is a billion/trillion dollar industry that’s basically gloating about pirating at an industrial scale.

        Going after individuals for downloading a 4Gb rip of a movie doesn’t make any financial sense but it makes a lot more sense going after companies downloadinh millions of gigabytes and have more than enough money to pay damages

        So it’s strange to continue attacking individuals while covering your eyes at the big companies

        • mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10 days

          I’m not attacking anyone, and I’m not covering my eyes to anything.

          You basically just proved my point: going after every individual or corporation that pirates isn’t really feasible.

          I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy in the stance itself. It doesn’t matter who’s doing the pirating; the underlying justification is the same. If it’s acceptable for an individual to pirate something because the company no longer sells it, then you can’t suddenly declare that same reasoning unacceptable when a corporation does it for essentially the same reason.

          You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too. Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn’t hold water.

          You’re either okay with piracy as a principle, or you’re not. You don’t get to create one standard for individuals and another for corporations simply because you prefer one of them.

          • NotSteve_@lemmy.caEnglish
            10 days

            Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn’t hold water.

            That’s exactly what I’m doing though. Imagine standing there with a bullhorn shouting that you just downloaded every available movie, show, research paper, news article, etc and you’re now profiting significantly off of it, as an individual. You’d get sued into oblivion if you weren’t sent to prison first.

            I still think pirating is okay and that the US twisting the world’s arm to enforce the DMCA is fucking BS but if we have to suffer with it then the billion dollar companies should have to too

            • mechoman444@lemmy.worldEnglish
              10 days

              Privacy is not ok. People are stealing intellectual property. You can dress it up however you want, but that doesn’t change what is actually happening.

              At some point, you have to stop convincing yourself that you’re somehow not breaking the law simply because enforcement is difficult or unlikely. Let’s not beat around the bush: I’m completely comfortable with what I’m hypothetically doing when I hypothetically pirate media, and I fully understand exactly what is taking place. I’m not pretending otherwise.

              And let’s be honest, people aren’t exactly hiding it. They’re openly discussing it, building massive communities around it, sharing methods and resources, and publicly arguing for why they think it’s justified. Look at the conversation we’re having right now. The difference is that, in practice, prosecuting every individual pirate or every corporation doing something similar, is generally not worth the resources required.

              But that’s a question of enforcement, not legality.

              Look, man. You don’t have to morally agree with piracy, and you don’t have to pretend it’s something other than what it is. Just admit to yourself what is actually taking place when someone pirates something: they’re obtaining and using copyrighted material without the copyright holder’s authorization. Whether you personally think that’s justified is a completely separate question.

    • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      9 days

      Exactly, this is to implement mechanism to block political sites that the state doesn’t approve. Please contact your representatives.

  • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
    10 days

    This goes far deeper than just “piracy”. Everyone’s favourite section 1201 of the DMCA also means that this bill will result in the US blocking foreign sites which explain to you how to fix your shit if you have to bypass even the most inane digital lock.

  • ErevanDB@lemmy.zipEnglish
    11 days

    Well, time to protest, and if need be, use the constitution how it was intended.

      • Burninator05@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 days

        I think the intent of the law is that it wouldn’t mater. If the VPN blocks the site, you can’t get to the site.

          • peopleproblems@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11 days

            It wouldn’t, which is why I roll my eyes every time I see a bill demanding what a VPN must do.

            The only way for them to actually enforce this through VPNs is to block VPNs. Which, presumably, they’ll do at some point, but with an exception list for companies paying the right license fee to use a Government Approved VPN.

            Which, obviously, will be full of security flaws, and likely won’t be HIPPA compliant or other compliances etc, etc.

            • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              11 days

              There are ways to obfuscate VPN traffic that’s resistant to DPI. It makes it look like normal HTTPS traffic. That will make completely blocking VPNs difficult. I’m sure even more effective obfuscation methods will be developed if VPN blocking becomes widespread.

            • saltesc@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11 days

              So, basically there’s the internet, then there’s the US internet. People will start moving to China for more freedoms.

              • yucandu@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11 days

                Did you forget about the Great Firewall?

                Not that even it can defeat VPNs anyway.

          • Burninator05@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9 days

            A Canadian based VPN provider wouldn’t have to but a US based VPN provider with a Canadian node likely would. And the law (or subsequent revisions) would likely make it illegal for a provider, regardless of where it is based, to offer service if they aren’t complaint with US laws.

        • obvs@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11 days

          I don’t know if you’re familiar with how VPNs work, but it’s basically like a computer in the other country is sharing its internet connection with you.

          So let’s imagine that things are reversed, and you’re a VPN provider in the United States and you’re sharing your internet connection with some computers in another country, like Saudi Arabia, for example.

          And just to be clear, you conduct no business in Saudi Arabia. You’re just sharing your internet connection with people from there. You don’t have any associates in Saudi Arabia, and you have no intention of ever going to Saudi Arabia.

          And let’s say that Saudi Arabia passed a law that said VPN providers had to block some kind of content, like maybe banning all access to content about your favorite band.

          How is this going to affect the VPN service you provide to the other computers?

        • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11 days

          You VPN into Canada and then sign onto another VPN from there? Would that work?

          Hell, depending on how the law is written and how clever the lawyers are, the VPN can ship you out to Canada, then connect you back to the network via an authentication token that verifies you are a member of the service without verifying your country of origin.

  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zipEnglish
    10 days

    That’s the whole point of VPN providers. They’re not in your jurisdiction.

  • ulkesh@piefed.socialEnglish
    11 days

    Yeah, good luck with enforcing that to foreign VPN providers, you dumb fucks.

    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
      10 days

      Next step is blocking access to foreign VPN providers. They are dumb fucks, but they are persistent dumb fucks.

        • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
          10 days

          I think so too - we and many others won’t have an issue getting whatever we need. But the broad masses might not, and this legislation also aims at things like repair instructions and tools to fix your shit thanks to Section 1201 of the DMCA.

          • Shanmugha@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10 days

            Yes, exactly the point: first take access to information from most people. Then slowly close the trap more and more tight

        • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          10 days

          Only nutjobs like us gonna go double vpn+ tor. Not a single normie would ever go though this.

          Look at China. One can penetrate the great firewall but need to jump through so many hoops just to get a shitty internet connection to the rest of the world. Normies there just won’t do it.

          • Railcar8095@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10 days

            I think China isn’t just “it’s hard”, but also the risk of caught is very high.

      • Hakuso@scribe.disroot.orgEnglish
        10 days

        I got a disconnect for alleged piracy, all it did was give me completely free internet when I bypassed it.

        And the government folks, especially in the current admin full of DOGE boys and crypto bros, are even dumber than the corpos who can;t get anything right.

      • ulkesh@piefed.socialEnglish
        11 days

        Sure, obviously. These idiots can’t even tie their own shoes without assistants. But sure.

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10 days

    And wouldn’t you know it, anything that disagrees with the current regime is piracy.