• m-p{3}@lemmy.caEnglish
      13 days

      The content creators won’t make the effort unless they have some way to monetize their views though.

      • 8baanknexer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13 days

        I’m my opinion the best days of YouTube were before monetization was a thing. There were plenty of creators back then, and it was a lot less corporate than it is now.

        • ∃∀λ@programming.devEnglish
          13 days

          People think TikTok took off because the algorithm has some magic sauce the other platforms don’t. Nope. It’s because the content was more authentic because creators couldn’t monetize. It was like YouTube in the early days.

        • antiR@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13 days

          Unfortunately, you need monetization to keep going. If creators didn’t, they wouldn’t have folded to YouTube monetization rules and just kept posting whatever they wanted. Basically, YouTube demonitezes then crrators have folded to just censoring their videos instead of pushing back because of money.

          • Sexybill@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13 days

            What they are saying tho is that people who want to make actual content don’t care about monetization. They do it for the love of the game. Sure you can get a few to censor swear words and suicide, but the thing that built it was freedom. If you take away freedom then you’ve got nothing. Half the equation is people who watch the content. If people don’t want to watch your shitty watered down bullshit, and other people don’t want to be gagged by censorship, you’re going to alienate the base; that is, actually red blooded humanity. Oh, let’s say between the creators and the viewers its about 60% of your base. It won’t be over night but it will be enough that ther3 will be alternatives to the bullshit. I say bull shit because that’s what it is. Fucking goddamn horseshit. Thank you for glistening.

            • antiR@lemmy.worldEnglish
              13 days

              AFAIK, it’s still possible to upload content that can be demonitized if you really don’t care about monetization. The video will not be deleted, it will just be demonitized. However, creators don’t want to get demonitized so they bow down. There is still freedom just as long it’s not some extreme stuff.

              • Sexybill@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12 days

                That’s true. We’ll need third party agregators of YouTube then yp see what pertains to our worldview. Whether or not this fractionalizes further the community is probably well documented.

          • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            11 days

            Your first phrase explains the problem perfectly IMO.

            Maybe everyone mustn’t make a youtube every other day. Sometimes I stumble onto an old youtube with all the information I need, but it’s getting rarer and rarer because people who “need” monetization push them out it seems.

    • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
      13 days

      From what I understand (very limited knowledge here, might be BS) YouTube actually pays creators more than pretty much any other platform.

      • 0x0@lemmy.zipEnglish
        13 days

        That’s a privacy overlay like nitter for twitter, not a hosting platform.

        Works better than invideous though.

      • 0x0@lemmy.zipEnglish
        13 days

        That’s a privacy overlay like nitter for twitter, not a hosting platform.

      • im_fine_sandy@nord.pubEnglish
        13 days

        I haven’t been able to get invidious to work reliably for a year or more.

        I’m not asking for a how-to. I’m happy enough with freetube on the desktop.

      • bruh@nord.pubEnglish
        12 days

        man I love your profile pic! made my day :D

    • chunes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12 days

      Also remind them that html has a <video> tag that is very easy to use

    • FenrirIII@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12 days

      I bought a lifetime to Nebula for $300. Enjoying zero commercials on the content

    • antiR@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13 days

      Maybe add Bilibili, TikTok, Facebook, and Dailymotion to the list. Yes, they also have ads but they are not that strict about ad blockers.

        • antiR@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13 days

          But they are the only plausible alternatives with enough funding to operate

          • db2@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13 days

            They should both be dismantled permanently and their scumbag owners/CEOs dealt with in an appropriate fashion

      • pheelicks@lemmy.zipEnglish
        12 days

        Exactly. In some way this would even be appreciated since I would probably do way more useful and healthy things with the time that I currently spend on YT.

  • AmyAye@nord.pubEnglish
    13 days

    God I wouldn’t mind if the ads weren’t so fucking cancer. Like I have streaming with ads and dumb Liberty Bibberty or whatever is fine.

    But YouTube, it constantly runs gambling scams and then rolls into a 90 minute “ad” podcast about some bull shit

    • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13 days

      I just noticed they removed the button to report ads as inappropriate.

      • bruh@nord.pubEnglish
        12 days

        because ads are never inappropriate!

        source: Google

    • Kite@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      13 days

      I get SO MANY ads for dick pills. So many. How do they even get away with that?!

    • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12 days

      I will never pay for youtube while sponsor block is not part of the default app and downvoted are visible.

      • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
        12 days

        YouTube can’t have sponser block as that is not part of YouTube.

      • AmyAye@nord.pubEnglish
        12 days

        Frankly, I find most YouTube content to be super obnoxious, so I would not pay for it anyway. I already barely ever use YouTube outside of trailers and music videos.

  • archwaycurl@piefed.socialEnglish
    13 days

    You guys, Mr YouTube worked really hard to make and produce all those videos quit stealing them!!

  • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish
    13 days

    The link is broken.
    After some searching, found it here.

    So no one else has to do that annoying seach, here is the article text.
    I’m sure formatting will be shite. Sorry about that.

    YouTube is becoming unwatchable for ad block users – thanks to this powerful new crackdown tactic News By Mark Wilson Published May 28, 2024 Videos now auto-skip to the end, ad block users report

    A laptop showing YouTube's ad blockers message next to a laptop showing UBlock Origin (Image credit: YouTube / Shutterstock / monticello) Share

    The battle between YouTube and ad blockers is heating up again, with some YouTube users reporting that videos are now auto-skipping to the end if they’re using extensions to block advertisements.

    The new YouTube tactic has been widely reported on Reddit (via 9to5Google), with ad blocker users revealing that video playback immediately skips to the end of their video. This apparently continues to happen even if the video is immediately replayed.

    While Google hasn’t officially stated that this is a new tactic for dealing with ad blockers, it has escalated its crackdown on apps and extensions that remove advertisements in its videos over the past few months.

    For example, in April a Google post in a YouTube Community forum stated that viewers who use third-party apps like NewPipe “may experience buffering issues or see the error “The following content is not available on this app” when trying to watch a video”.

    This new auto-skipping behavior appears to affect multiple ad-blocking extensions including AdBlock, although there’s some evidence that uBlock Origin has already found a workaround for the issue.

    The other solution, of course, is to subscribe to YouTube Premium ($13.99 / £12.99 / AU$32.99 a month), which is undoubtedly what YouTube is pushing users towards with its ad block crackdown. But its tactics are seemingly nudging many towards doubling down on ad blockers, resulting in a game of whack-a-mole that’s likely to run for a long time.

    Is Premium worth it? A YouTube Premium menu on a tablet

    (Image credit: Shutterstock) YouTube argues that using ad blockers “prevents the creator from being rewarded for viewership” and that the site’s increasingly long advertisements “help support creators and let billions of people around the world use the streaming service”.

    The problem is that, with those advertisements becoming increasingly lengthy and unskippable, many users feel that YouTube is increasingly looking to boost its own bottom line as much as its creators’ income.

    In a parallel to Netflix’s password-sharing crackdown, there is evidence that YouTube’s ad blocker is working – back in November, ZDNet reported that Google’s tactics had led to a record number of users uninstalling their ad blockers. And in February, YouTube reported that it had hit a new milestone of 100 million YouTube Music and Premium subscribers.

    But with YouTube Premium also recently getting its biggest price hike in years, many are still holding out and using ad blockers and extensions like YouTube Enhancer to preserve an ad-free experience. With YouTube ramping up its battle with ad blockers, though, the game of cat-and-mouse will likely become increasingly hard-fought.

    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipEnglish
      12 days

      Published May 28, 2024

      yt hasn’t defeated uBo or revanced/morphe in the 2 years since this article came out.

      • DaPorkchop_ [they/she/it]@lemmy.mlEnglish
        12 days

        ngl, revanced doesn’t work for me anymore as of yesterday - most videos either drop to 144p after a few seconds and can’t be changed, or simply won’t load past the 1 minute mark. in the past i’ve been able to fix this by updating to a more recent revanced version, but i’m still having this on the latest youtube apk and revanced patches. will give it a few days and see if we get any new updates…

  • the_riviera_kid@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13 days

    On android use a firefox fork with ublock I’m sure there is an equvalent on ios as well. It’s much easier than playing whack-a-mole with an app.

  • SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zoneEnglish
    12 days

    What Youtube seems not to understand is…they serve at the people’s pleasure. And even more so…they exist BECAUSE people create their product (content).

    They’re not too big to fail; they’re just not annoying enough for mass exodus, yet. Classic frog in boiling pot.

    Let’s all remember - Youtube is a replaceable commodity. I would make efforts to download / store what videos you find irreplaceable from there (0.5-1T of hard-drive should store roughly 1500-2000, 20-30 minute youtube vids, at 720p@60), streaming them locally and intermingling with other sources.

    In fact, I am working on an effort to do just that, by creating a local, SMB backed “channel” in my forked version of SmartTube

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12 days

    youtube/google is spending more time, money and reputation (not that it cares about reputation since its the only player in the game) trying to defeat adblockers, than it would have ever spent on just moderating its platform to make sure its not airing scams, malicious misinformation, frauds, hoaxes, outright porn, and all the other nasty shit that piss people off about the advertising.

    cause thats really all this comes down to. no one likes ads, but they’d be a lot more tolerable if google fucking policed what they showed so people didnt get fucking AI nudifying ads on kids videos, or if they just didnt air 2 hour long prageru videos about why the white race is superior and why blacks should be happy whites “elevated” them with slavery.

    but they’d rather force us to see that shit, than put in the slightest effort of moderating themselves

  • hneerqe@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13 days

    Some of us don’t base their buying off of stupid ads. Why can’t we just be left alone. At this point I’m just basing on if I have any money left after going to the gas pump.

    • abbadon420@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      13 days

      That’s not the point. Youtube doesn’t want to sell you anything. They want to sell you to the companies that want to sell you something. Doesn’t matter if you buy anything, as long as you give them some attention.

      • rounding_error@lemmy.todayEnglish
        13 days

        Yeah, it’s really annoying how ads have become “Mr. Beastified” too. I can’t even turn a TV on without some attention sucking advert coming on that demands your full and centered attention. What was a chill afternoon feels more like a tax.

  • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    13 days

    Newpipe’s been relatively solid for me on Android. I think I have more subscriptions there than on Youtube at this point.

  • Crackhappy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13 days

    Just quit YouTube. Just part of degoogling. When I finally get all my auth off of Google I’ll finish it and go to graphene.

    • gilokee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12 days

      any good alternatives? I know of curiosity stream etc but not another site where anyone can upload.

      • NewOldGuard@lemmy.mlEnglish
        12 days

        Peertube is the fediverse alternative. It’s cool but not a ton of traction right now

        • gilokee@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12 days

          this is cool, thanks! I’ll upload my own youtube videos to it. :D

      • Crackhappy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12 days

        I tried curiosity stream but ended up not liking it. Since 90% of what I watch is educational or infotainment I’ve gone with a sub to nebula, as most creators I was following on YT are there. Note there is no upvoter/down vote or commenting of any kind there.

  • ProfessorYakkington@lemmy.mlEnglish
    12 days

    Yeah , I love a good ad blocker / sponsor block / privacy frontend but they all feel like duck tape on a sinking boat. At some point we have to move away from these centralized platforms but the enshitification hasn’t outweighed the lion’s share of content / creators on these platforms to a tipping point for the majority. Ad blocks let you mitigate the enshitification so you can stay on these platforms longer - in many cases this is required so not knocking it, I do it as well. My hope is that as these companies continue to go after ad blocks users will finally jump ship in mass as they are forced to confront the lovecraftian nightmare that is any of these platforms without an ad block.

    • Mustachius_Grumpius@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      12 days

      so thats I why I welcome that new chinese entry - bilibili. I think it will give yoube good competition.
      I would just repost shit there from youtube

      • ProfessorYakkington@lemmy.mlEnglish
        12 days

        I certainly agree that more options will help - but, I would love to see a more federate / user powered, owned option take YouTube’s place not just Youtube #2. it feels like a centralized option will just corrupt over time no matter the intentions and we will just be repeating the same mistakes but perhaps the economics of Video hosting / streaming at scale require something like this … I am not sure how the economics of something like peer tube scale but I would love to see us all learn from our mistake and not just make it again. But … maybe I am just idealistic and not grounded in reality.

  • MushuChupacabra@piefed.worldEnglish
    13 days

    I use two separate third party apps, and YouTube is very diligent with screwing with my favorite of the two.

    Which forces me to use the other, which is very diligent at clipping out the sponsor ad.