- JasonDJ@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
When I search for things at work, and reddit may have the top result, I stopped clicking them becasue they want me to log in.
When I search for things on my phone, and reddit is one of the top results, I stopped clicking it because now it won’t let me read it in browser, and forces me to use their app.
They got rid of old reddit.
Clearly they are trying to pad their logged-in user counts.
I’m done. I’m sorry to say that I’d rather have an AI-generated answer (that likely is citing the right answer on reddit anyway) than to give reddit the satisfaction of making me open their app or log in.
Fuck them.
Fuck spez.
RIP AaronSw.
- JasonDJ@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
Potato potato. They are joining the shit tier of websites that have “the result” you’re probably looking for, but won’t let you see it without logging in or using their app.
Same reason I fucking hate Instagram.
- raven55six@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Reddit is also killing itself lately. I hope it goes down forever and good platforms like Discuit or Lemmy become the mainstream thing.
- SirEDCaLot@lemmy.todayEnglish2 days
I’m not so sure.
I’ve been on Reddit since more or less the beginning- think pre-Digg-migration. Reddit was better then for a lot of reasons, but one of the biggest was the self-selecting userbase. in general Redditors were a certain kind of people, and had a very strong sense of fairness and right/wrong. I remember hearing that a friend had started dating a new partner, and when I heard they were on Reddit I immediately made a handful of good assumptions about them (which turned out to be spot on).
The Digg migration was the start of the downfall- Reddit going mainstream. Over the last decade or so, conversations have gotten less intelligent, the noise and spam level have increased. The leadership has if anything encouraged this and rewritten the website and the app to be ‘yet another scrolling app’.
Now let’s say Reddit goes away. Let’s say all the investors and the admins tomorrow decided to pack it up and go home. What happens to those masses of low-effort morons? They go elsewhere.
So I say long live Reddit. I wish for Lemmy to grow faster if possible, I want to be able to have all the good conversations I need here and not rely on Reddit. But if Reddit implodes tomorrow, then I see a future where all the unwashed masses migrate to Lemmy and other platforms, just like the Digg migration. Not only is Lemmy not prepared for that much traffic (I’m talking in terms of moderation, mod tools, spam filters, etc) but it would reduce the overall quality of discussions and the average intelligence level here.
I’m happy to keep Reddit mainstream if it keeps Lemmy good.
Of course I’d love a future where centralized platforms like Reddit are the exception rather than the norm, but I don’t think we’re overall ready to flip that switch overnight.
- pressanykeynow@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Reddit is also killing itself lately
lately
They did it for like like 10+ years, firing Victoria from AMAs is the first call I remember.
2 daysWell, this is it. Time to make my online residence on Lemmy permanent.
- Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
on what grounds? Thats insane to ban a community just because its a competitor.
Not the first time, there have been many migrations and the ban the sites that gain traction against Reddit.
- 3 days
First thing claude recommends when you ask about a reddit alternative is Lemmy. They are fucked boy.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish3 days
kinda obvious, they dont want competition, and people to jump ship.
- UnLocoPoco@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Translation: RSS feeds allowed users to access reddit posts without logging in which is a huge no no for data collection. It also enabled 3rd party open source reddit clients to function which is again a huge no no. For these reasons, we (reddit) are ending rss feeds
- 3 days
because of AI bots
We all know they really were just looking for any excuse
- ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
They’ll still allow AI bots. Only the ones they authorize though. Without them their paying customers will realize how many people have left.
- grous@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
They killed access to old Reddit without an account a couple months ago. Also i saw some people can’t access the new one without an account but i guess they are rolling out that one slowly.
They’re making the website viewable only with an account.
- Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish3 days
because of AI bots
Is it because they want it to be only a.i. bots, because that seems to be where it’s heading by making it more and more hostile to humans.
I mean, “because of AI bots” is technically correct, but it’s more because they want to control the sale of their own users’ data rather than letting other bots scrape to sell.
- Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish2 days
That also means there’s a strong incentive for the remaining human users with two brain cells to rub together to not provide anything for the scraping bots to use. Certainly not for free.
- 2 days
Definitely to stop their userbase using 3rd party apps and force them to use their godawful ad-hell
- 4 days
I think he might’ve misunderstood a message and thinks there’s really that many people who want to have sex with him…
Don’t fuck Spez actually, there’s no doubt in my mind he’s a terrible shag.
- 3 days
Fuck that twat. He did get me off of reddit, so credit there.
- berrodeguarana@lemmy.eco.brEnglish3 days
I know we all collectively hate Reddit here - no sarcasm on my end -, but I hate to think what it’s gonna be like 10 years from now.
The sheer amount of good information I’ve obtained from Reddit over these last 15 years: mental, physical health, nutrition, tech, jobs… all for free, as it should be! It’s insane when you think about it.
Imagining a world where I’ll have to get charged to search every little thing, and yet get biased information due to ads and marketing… All of this sucks so much.
How are you guys gonna cope with this? What do you intend to do in the future I mean.
- partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish3 days
Never forget what made sites like Reddit popular in the first place. That can always be rebuilt. Reddit can die without it meaning we have to give up what Reddit was.
- Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
If only there was some site like Reddit but not centrally controlled by a corporation.
- Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Ofc, I was being silly when I said that seeing as we are on Lemmy.
- SpaceCrystal@lemmy.mlEnglish2 days
Numerous subjects & communities of subreddits is why. There’s Public Freakouts, News, Video Games, Health, Television, etc.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish3 days
being a news and niche topic aggregate site helped it becoming big. because all the other forums either died or declined, or were too hard to ask a question in.
- 3 days
Never forget what made sites like Reddit popular in the first place.
you mean r/jailbait?
- 3 days
The information will still be there as long as they don’t remove entire posts by users who have deleted their user names and keep an archive going.
Someone should be making a reddit archive site. Like an exact read-only clone to retain all the information people have access to before they remove it all to accommodate Ai on their servers.
- Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish3 days
It’s useless if you can’t access it without an account, though, and they’re banning accounts left, right and centre over the stupidest reasons.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish3 days
i would avoid anything related to current events, politics or news, thats where the bans are. im on solely niche topics after a year ago i got banned, made a new account recently and only ask question in a very niche sub.
- Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish3 days
I am not prepared to make a new account, because fuck Reddit. If you try to browse without one, you immediately get a popup telling you to log in or create an account, so I don’t even do that any more.
- partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish3 days
The majority of its value is in currency, meaning current. The historical value is present too, but it’s but a drop in the ocean relatively. If everyone left Reddit, Reddit would very soon cease to exist. Wherever everyone went, they took the value with them.
- Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
People forget that before reddit became the default for this stuff, Quora and Yahoo Answers filled the same niche
- 3 days
I mean reddit was just the domain name where real people shared that info. The real people who want to share knowledge are still out there, just wont be on reddit much longer.
This. It was a golden age of information and community availability, and it’s going to be hard to put that back together. Especially since the prior eras of distributed sites, we had functioning search engines.
And yeah, sure, it can be rebuilt… but there’s going to be a long time of awful isolation until it is.
- BillionaireStew@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Ending the public API also prevents reddit users from deleting their post history without manually removing each post.
If you want to scrub your post history and prevent reddit from profiting from your input, use Power Delete Suite while you still can.
https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
It is unlikely that reddit allows users to delete their content from the backend but this at least keeps your posts out of search results, which is a large part of their value.
- rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish3 days
Note: Use this Suite, but do not delete your account. Check back regularly to make sure your posts stay deleted. When I did mine, they were restored multiple times.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish3 days
im using that powerdeletesuite, you can poison potential AI scraping by changing your comments.
- dialektisk@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Another option is connecting with vpn or talk bad about Trump and you’ll get shadow banned straight away.
- 3 days
People said that about Digg 15 years ago.
Things come and go, people make solutions
- 3 days
Yeah, I also find a lot of my most useful and specific web searches take me to reddit. Unfortunately, I don’t see a solution. Hopefully a similar depth of information will start to accrue here, but if it happens it’ll happen slowly. And it’s hard to search.
- Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Reddit bridged so many understanding gaps for me while i was in my early 20s things you could never talk about in real life. It was honest people talking in good faith. Now i look at the same places and they’re full of the worst info and worst takes.
- Nugscree@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
That’s because the people that were willing to help you along have mostly left Reddit.
I guess I will continue to hang out around here. There aren’t many places on the internet left for such a broad range of topics and conversations with real humans. The sad reality is that the specialist forums are dying and being replaced by closed platforms and the large aggregators are getting shittier every day. The Fediverse seems like the only worthwhile investment of my time.
- rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish3 days
When those niche communities are no longer reasonable at Reddit, those people will find new places. As much as I’d like them to land on Lemmy, there is no shortage of places to go.
- 3 days
What I miss most from reddit is probably askhistorians. . . Such an incredibly wide and authoritative accumulation of knowledge and skilled interpretation. Ah well.
- rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish3 days
no time like the present to create it on lemmy and recruit in DM’s :)
best yet, you could DM the historians with the best mannerisms.
Once you get a number of reasonable posts on this side, you could ask people on their site for assistance on questions from here :) lowkey advertising until they shut you down over there.
So. Early, early on I did reach out to a couple of them.
Unfortunately, there are some frankly terrible communities on Lemmy who engage in some pretty awful hatred and historical denialism, and they weren’t interested in moving to a community that wouldn’t dissociate with that, much less one that is actively run by the same people.
And like, we can repeat to the end of time that Lemmy is a distributed community and each instance’s choices don’t reflect on others. But the reality is that people do look at the largest instances not shutting that crap out, and it does color their perceptions.
- rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
Yeah, early on, conservatives beat up Wil Wheaton and made him despise the platform, too.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish3 days
same thing here. certain job industry, which is worth getting into, how hard it is to apply,etc. and all the other subs. the least useful ones were politics and news. they had subs for people wanting to join the services, but could not find a place where they can discuss because it was originally concentrated in certain forums only.
got an appliance problem of a specific model, or electronic issue, the subs have it.
- Almacca@aussie.zoneEnglish3 days
I don’t hate Reddit, but it seemed to hate me and banned me for the most spurious reason.
They do seem to be making some baffling decisions against their own interests, though.
- DaddleDew@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
Reddit never gave a shit about bots. To them it’s something that pumps up their active users numbers to woo their investors. They’re only doing this so they can force people to view their ads that are designed to look like posts.
Who goes on Reddit nowadays anyway?
I still go on reddit often since that’s where most of the game communities I want to hear from are.
- lagg_mine@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
Same, Lenny isn’t mature enough to have some of the very niche communities yet
- 4 days
It’s not even mature enough to support some mainstream interests, like sports.
Lemmy doesnt have a laundry dedicated community anywhere that Ive looked… reddit does however…
So I guess the Lemmings let mama and dada do their laundry for them still 😅
- ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish2 days
That’s the problem with Lemmy. It’s not large enough to have active niche communities like gaming handhelds like Retroid ones, Anbernic ones, Steam Deck, etc.
- BuckFutter@timeyak.comEnglish3 days
so its nothing more than a community that talks about Laundry? sorry if this sounds dumb but man I had been on reddit since the 2010’s and I am just now learning about this lol
- 3 days
It’s not even mature enough to have an active Minecraft community, imagine how’s the situation with smaller or indie games…
- EowynCarter@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
That’s the problem with changing social networks.
People goes where people are. So it takes some major scew up from the current networks. Or a newcomer that have some killer feature everybody will want / need.
And lemmy lacks that “killer feature”
Lemmy/Piefed/Etc has a killer feature (or maybe characteristic), but one that only a fraction of users find appealing. Being decentralized makes the network more resistant to many of the problems we see on Reddit and other networks, or at least, reduces their impact.
- EowynCarter@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Yeah, it’s not something lots of people will care about. And some eventually stops at “choosing in instance”.
- CybranM@feddit.nuEnglish3 days
That killer feature is also very unappealing/confusing to the average user. Very similar to Linux in that regard
- 3 days
They will get it eventually it just takes time for people to realize they need to try again. That’s the main issue is people are just lazy.
But I’ve been through multiple conversions like from slashdot to digg then to reddit and now federated. There will always be slow people that take awhile to figure out there is something better to be had.
I still go on Reddit in some cases because google seo or niche communities that are already pretty small. I mean I don’t login anymore and I’ve replaced all of my 10,000 comments. You can definitely tell there has been a massive brain drain. I still get a chuckle when occasionally people reply to my altered comments saying “aww darn that was actually the correct answer”. All my comments now point to federated communities and call out Reddits awful behavior.
Sites come on and enshitify and then people move on (I’m used to it) bit its just nice to know I might not have to do that here. It’s a little annoying to manage multiple accounts with Lemmy/piefed but it also gives me a layer of redundancy. Reddit blocking mobile anonymous users has actually helped me a lot because I was hardcore addicted to reddit.
- ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish4 days
Yeah, if I want yoyo stuff, I have to go visit r\throwers.
Pretty much the same if I need mechanic info.
- takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 days
I think what there users who mostly post and users that mostly comment (I belong to the later). Lemmy could try to bootstrap some of those communities (note: to not make it to specific) by just reposting the same posts that are posted in Reddit and see if that could increase activity.
- CheesyFingers@piefed.socialEnglish3 days
there are plenty of empty communities where the only posters are bots that mirror reddit. it’s clear that doesnt do anything except earn a block
There isnt even an intactivism community here bruh!!!
Heck there isnt even LAUNDRY community on Lemmy!?! How yall existed for this long with no laundry community yall?!?
- bedwyr@piefed.caEnglish4 days
Lemmy never will be big enough without a change in thinking from the feudal nature to a more liberal democracy, alas.
- 4 days
Can you expand a bit? What do you mean “feudal nature” and “liberal democracy”? Do you mean society as a whole or Lemmy in general?
- bedwyr@piefed.caEnglish4 days
Yes I would be pleased to expand thank you for asking.
Lemmy is a mini reddit, moderators own the space, like a feudal lord. To take off, as an alternative to the feudal spaces of big social media, we need to offer a better alternative.
To that effect, a clear set of moderation rules would help, and for that set of rules to end in a jury trial of members.
What I don’t get with this federated software, Lemmy and Mastodon. It’s ripe for essentially, server level verification of identity. And I don’t mean check every ID of every user.
But like, this threat talks about game communities. Some larger company, Microsoft, maybe even Valve with Steam, could easily run an instance, and have “official” forums this way. Any anyone on any instance can subscribe and visit. But that way you know that like, I dunno, lame.microsoft/halo is the proper community for Halo. Sure, there may be others, but it can become the place of record with announcements etc.
Same for Mastodon stuff. But that would be more for individuals. But also stuff. Like you could have movie.studio/tom.cruise and it’s verification that it’s the proper Tom Cruise posting. That sort of thing.
Plus, smaller communities have less potential burden from a few large accounts loading the system down.
Etc.
You should start a community for those games. Or contribute to an existing one. Be the change
- CybranM@feddit.nuEnglish3 days
Assuming they have the energy and time to dedicate to it, alternatively they could just go to Reddit with minimal effort.
- Kowowow@lemmy.caEnglish4 days
I mostly stick to Lemmy but there are times when I have a question to ask and the larger number of eyes on it does feel better even if it’s just a placebo
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish4 days
i had to ask very specific questions, that Reddit has the niche subs for, that lemmy doesnt have recently.
- Zagorath@quokk.auEnglish4 days
I go on Reddit read-only fairly often, but these days it’s quite rare that I’ll post or comment. And when I do I always take the opportunity to promote the fediverse.
- riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish4 days
What, they’re not on neoseeker?
I joke, but really why not try going back to bulletin boards again? Neoseeker was made for games and it always had plenty of users. It’s at least better than reddit.
Reddit at one point filtered millions of bots monthly and transparently filed public reports on the actions they had taken, even citing the source of these bot networks if a notable number of them came from places like Russia, China, Myanmar, etc.
That was a long ass time ago, though. Before they killed off the free API access in 2022, and the 3rd party apps and accessibility layers with it.
- psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish4 days
Unfortunately a good chunk of linux distro resources and troubleshooting, and also many hobby stuff is over there.
- anytimesoon@piefed.socialEnglish3 days
This one is surprising to me. If there’s one thing that Lemmy has a lot of, its Linux enthusiasts
Yeah, and it’s worse the more niche. I have no idea if Lemmy has a Fortnite community or if it’s active, but I seriously doubt it has a /r/StarWarsDroidTycoon community (a Fortnite mode), which is what I care about. Or /r/FortniteLeaks
- psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish3 days
Or a specific gamepad brand sub that might have some info for a problem i face, or 3ds hacking resource. Reddit win in this because they have years of discussion on the specific subject.
- jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish4 days
Seems like most people don’t really care about or understand stuff like “private platforms enshittify”. Certainly not enough to be inconvenienced. People will be like “that’s where the good memes are” or “that’s where my video games post”. Heavens forbid you miss the hot memes.
- Zagorath@quokk.auEnglish4 days
They’re concerned about AI scraping. They want to sell access to users’ content for training, not let the AI in for free.
- BillionaireStew@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
It could also be to make things difficult for redlib, which uses the reddit API.
- dreamkeeper@literature.cafeEnglish3 days
Exactly. They definitely care. They want the AI companies coughing up dough for all that data.
Thankfully redlib still works
- Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
I’m banned
Permanently
You are banned for this comment which you can’t see
Bastards!
- Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zipEnglish3 days
I use Red Reader to look at reddit for a few specific subs but I prefer hanging out here.
- 404found@lemmy.zipEnglish4 days
I think the issue is also related to how Reddit makes money. Reddit makes money from selling advertisement. I would guess they are charging a certain fee based off subreddit activity the ads are shown in. When most of that Reddit activity is bots and fake clicks on advertisement then the company won’t see the return on their investment because they thought a million people would see their ad but only 100k real people actually saw it.
the problem with uBlock there is thst sometimes on reddit they post like ‘Advertisement Posts’ …Like actual posts that are not about that niche community in anyway but are nothing more than an advertisement for a comoany and uBlack obviously cant block that.
Ive seen it a few times in the past but its been like 4 years since Ive been on reddit so I dont know if theyve stopped doing that.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish4 days
they never ever did anything to propaganda bots at least not recently, and since trumps 2nd win in the WH it was clear they were banning.
