Full title: EU’s new social media child protection rules to require all social media accounts to produce state ID - Leaked documents suggest that some existing accounts will also be subject to identification checks
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- brownsugga@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
Eliminating online privacy has always been framed as “protecting children” and it’s always been 100% about surveillance
19 daysI mean, why are they not using these resources to tackle child poverty, prosecute the epstein list or the panama papers if they want to help children so fucking badly?
- Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish19 days
Even if it’s secure (no software is ever 100% secure), it can’t be anonymous. How could they verify your ID? Maybe they theoretically don’t store the record, and the checks after the first don’t provide it, it can’t be anonymous or it’s worthless for ID verification.
- Puddinghelmet@lemmy.worldEnglish18 days
That’s the cool part, they found a way to keep it anonymous and still be ID verification, it’s called a white card, a simple yes or no if you’re 18+, it’s like you get a simple white card from a verified institution like a bank saying you’re 18+ with no other information like… How is that not anonymous?
Search for zero-knowledge proof, and the techniques behind it
Whatsapp is less safe than this
Sources for ZKP: https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm Vulnerabilities: https://www.encryptionconsulting.com/education-center/what-is-ecdsa/ [Api2025] Rutchathon Chairattana-Apirom, Franklin Harding, Anna Lysyanskaya, and Stefano Tessaro, “Server-Aided Anonymous Credentials,” available at https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/513, 2025- Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish18 days
If I’m understanding it correctly, and I’m pretty sure I am, it requires a witness, like I said. That witness has to be trusted to not reveal any information. The receiver doesn’t get any information theoretically, but it requires that someone check your ID. That’s pretty obvious though because how else could it work?
- Puddinghelmet@lemmy.worldEnglish10 days
You mean a system that automatically checks it? Your bank already has that data so its not a person or something
Sounds too good to be true. … But, if it’s as you say… sure, lets use it to let pedos know where to target. Oh, sorry, I mean, use it to “protect children”.
- qwerty@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish18 days
Great, this might actually kill centralized social media in a long run. Future generations will grow up on decentralized web because it will be the only one they can access.
- 20 days
Can they just stop pretending these laws are not about eroding privacy and be honest for ounce.
If you give these people 25.4 millimetres they’ll take 1.6 kilometres.
- 18 days
even taking the pretense at face value, this would just be adults damning kids who are queer, autistic and/or in abusive households/communities (among others) and patting themselves on the back
always scrambling to “protect” kids without ever considering their needs or why they engage in the behavior they do at all
(assuming they’re not just seen as defective goods to be either “corrected” or disposed of, of course)
EU’s new social media
child protectionstate surveillance rules to require all social media accounts to produce state IDFTFY
- bigmamoth@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
My freedom shouldn’t be implied cause some parent can’t use a parental control which is already mandatory in the eu. Your kids isn’t my responsability.
It s unreal that the “free world” want my id simply to go online.
Also same shit as rgpd. Only bigger website and corporation can afford putting million toward implementing thoses policiesbwhile all other won’t bother and just cut acces to be in compliance.
- Puddinghelmet@lemmy.worldEnglish18 days
How is your freedom reduced tho, an app produces a yes or no, how is that a reduction of freedom. Search for zero-knowledge proof and the techniques behind it
Sources for ZKP: https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm Vulnerabilities: https://www.encryptionconsulting.com/education-center/what-is-ecdsa/ [Api2025] Rutchathon Chairattana-Apirom, Franklin Harding, Anna Lysyanskaya, and Stefano Tessaro, “Server-Aided Anonymous Credentials,” available at https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/513, 2025I choose what runs on my computer. I already kicked out SystemD for “an optional age field” so “an app that produces yes or no” can go straight up the author’s ass.
This is what it’s about. My daughter started reaching sites I had explicitly blocked in her phone and our home network (OPNSense + AdGuard Home) using a VPN.
I dis not blame the sites, or the ISP, or even the VPN provider. She has a PC and Phone because we, her parents, allowed it, so that’s on her for choosing to circumvent the security implemented, and on US for providing the means.
So, she has no access to any technology until further notice. Why the fuck does everyone have to pay because some of us are not parenting correctly?
I certainly don’t want any company or government deciding what my kids can or cannot have access to, that’s my role, not theirs.
- CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish20 days
That stuff would 100% get leaked and ruin many lives. Hell it would ruin lives even if only authorized authorities have access to it because some perverted cops or politicians will abuse it to stalk women and children. They‘re already doing it but getting a live feed of someone’s online activity by typing in a single number makes it so much more convenient for bad actors. And it would also get leaked on top of it.
- DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.orgEnglish19 days
Leak what? Nobody at any point stores any documents and you would know that if any of you read the OPEN SOURCE framework the EU developed.
- vane@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
It’s not about storing documents but about privacy. Do you want police officer in front your doors that checks identity of people that come to your house to talk with you ?
- Puddinghelmet@lemmy.worldEnglish18 days
How does the police officer know its you and where you live lmao? that’s not how it works… the state ID produces a yes or no if you’re older than 18 which can’t be tracked, a yes or no has no information about the user… So a police officer can never know it was you lol what. Research zero-knowledge proof and the techniques behind it
Sources for ZKP: https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm Vulnerabilities: https://www.encryptionconsulting.com/education-center/what-is-ecdsa/ [Api2025] Rutchathon Chairattana-Apirom, Franklin Harding, Anna Lysyanskaya, and Stefano Tessaro, “Server-Aided Anonymous Credentials,” available at https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/513, 2025
- poopkins@lemmy.worldEnglish19 days
Ursula von der Leyen, making the internet progressively worse year by year. Cookie banners, GDPR consent dialogs, and now ID verification. Please just retire and take up a different hobby, like knitting.
- visnae@lemmy.worldEnglish18 days
Neither Cookie banners nor GDPR consent dialogs need to be bad. They are only bad because companies try to do their shit. It’s companies not regulation that make Cookie banners and GDPR consent dialogs bad.
That said, the id-verification stuff is just pure awful for privacy concerns.
- WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish15 days
I’m always ready for some ursula blaming but the first two are really not the fault of the law. majority of the companies “comply” maliciously, often also illegally, to make people hate privacy laws
