Oh no…

Anyway.

Sounds about right, you seem to make sweeping assumptions about people with minimal evidence and ignore any context that goes with it

Have fun in psych 102, let me know if you actually learn anything.

No you didn’t, but thankfully someone else provided a real answer to the question posed.

As for your scenario question, you made up a decent head cannon, but it still doesn’t explain how you think the sims example is different from the AI example. Which was literally the question I specifically responded to and you’re not answering.

That being said, I’ll humor your lazy reasoning.

Would you say that the person who set up this experiment with these LLMs is capable of normal human empathy? Yes or no?

Yes, they very well could be capable of normal empathy, there’s not enough to say one way or the other. But I did those sorts of things with Sims as a release mechanism, without naming them after real people and it had no bearing on my ability to have empathy to real people and animals, because sims and AI aren’t real living entities. At best they’re a simulation of real people, but they’re still just that, a simulation. Good job working yourself up though.

Your psych 101 comment is on point, cuz this is he lazy sort of argumentation I see from people who stopped there. Your lack of understanding/ lazy generalizations about how someone’s inner world works colors your opinions and makes you make wild generalizations. I don’t know that I would want to be around this person, but saying they’re incapable of human empathy because they fuck with an AI and make it feel pain is one hell of a generalization based off of one article.

But this is the Internet, so I’m used to these sorts of ignorant takes.

You didn’t answer my question, what’s the difference between the sim torture and the AI torture? I’m not going to respond to the non-sequitor provided instead of answering the question.

You made the distinction, so I want to know the difference.

It’s a stochastic parrot trained on examples of real people reacting to those situations, of course it is going to mirror real reactions. That still doesn’t mean the reactions are actually real. To ascribe real emotions and feelings to an algorithm that generates tokens in response to tokens is an asinine level of anthropomorphism.

It’s also easy to find an NPC in video games that reacts the same way. Are they alive? Are they really feeling pain? Are you a genocidal madman whenever you kill a bunch of enemies in a video game?

I’m concerned about the mentality the dude making the simulation has, but that still doesn’t mean there’s an actual victim in it…

If you think that I think you’re a bad person because you … deleted the ladder on the swimming pool in Sims 4, relax. You’re not who I’m talking about.

I’m talking about sadists. Anyone who would take the time to design and build an experiment like this would probably do the same to mice, or monkeys, or even people.

You’re splitting hairs. What’s the difference between someone torturing their sims by intentionally designing a scenario where they are being repeatedly drowned/burned/starved, and the article?

Really sounds like you’re trying to carve out an exclusion for an obvious example that torpedoes your argument.

How’d the car turn out in the end?

I still remember the 92 accord my mother destroyed after the oil pump died and she just assumed the idiot light had popped again. Despite having to constantly restart the engine until it fully seized.

Remember kids, you can just assert, without argument, that any one or thing has feelings and experiences, and the in-group will reward you!

The inverse of your statement is just as accurate, and less asinine, than your actual statement.

The person making a positive claim, IE the AI can experience pain or has experiences, is under the obligation to prove their assertion.

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Oh man, I just had flashbacks to the days we used to refer to the riaa/mpaa as the MAFIAA

How do you know what he means by “woke”

Because I have a brain with functional memory and basic pattern recognition. The only people who use “woke” like that are using it to cover for what they really want to say. I’ve seen this plenty of times from MANY right wing shitheads, so if he uses their vernacular, he gets painted with the same brush.

I read it as “people who virtue signal and don’t actually care”

Yeah, that’s the exact mentality I’m talking about. Right wingers have used that exact line on me, because they assume all “woke” actions are performative and aren’t based in real beliefs.

I’m not willing to give people the benefit of the doubt when they use the same speaking style as those who want to hurt me and mine. If he meant to say something else, he should have said it without virtue signalling to the right.

Edit: reading Paul’s original article doesn’t really change my original interpretation. @[email protected] summarized my feelings better than I could at the moment:

In context, it is clear that Paul Graham regards any public protest for social justice to be performative and born from a need to feel morally superior to others. “Racism […] is a genuine problem”, but you are only ever allowed to “quietly” help marginalized groups. His examples for the birth of “wokeness” are people starting to report sexual harassment and racist language. Paul is very mad that people told him it’s not ok to call black people “negros” and it shows plainly in his writing.

He does not give one example of what would be a real racist thing that you are allowed to get mad and vocal about. He does not give one example of proper not-“woke” activism. This is the telltale sign of a fascist pretending to be a moderate worried about the “intolerant left”. Social justices exist, but I won’t name a single one. Helping minorities is good, but every time I see it happen it’s bad and I’m going to call it out.

I don’t get why the agent needs to have the contrib guidelines, it should be a human doing the actual contrib part, so its just a waste of tokens for the LLM to read it?

Why would you want to waste the tokens required to generate a subpar response that will either require the user to undo a potentially significant portion of what was generated, or you’ll end up using more tokens while the operator tries to get the AI to obey the standard (before they inevitably tell the stupid thing to follow the guide themselves later, anyway)?

It always rubbed me like it was 4chan trying to be presentable, and I could never figure out why.

Racism, for example, is a genuine problem. Not a problem on the scale that the woke believe it to be, but a genuine one.

Anyone who uses “the woke” to describe people who give a shit about that sort of thing can safely be ignored.

Instead of going out into the world and quietly helping members of marginalized groups, the politically correct focused on getting people in trouble for using the wrong words to talk about them.

Let me translate this bit:

"Instead of ignoring systemic problems and quietly helping those being hurt by the systemic injustices, reasonable people focused on getting racists in trouble because they choose to continue to be shitheads using slurs’

Oh, well in that case, it will only take ~47 years

It really makes you wonder where the revenue to pay for it comes from.

Easy answer, generations of stolen wealth being used to steal more

Yeah, it would probably only take like half to a full decade or so for the $1m/day to equal the build cost of the datacenter (assuming ~$3b, that’s 8.2 yr)

Emotionally so many billionaires HATE giving up any money that isn’t going to work for them.

And even more see the fine as a cost of doing business, and has already been accounted for.

Until we start jailing these fucks and charging them double digit percent of gross revenue (not profit, straight up what they take in), they won’t learn anything more than to keep planning for the few bucks (comparatively) they have to pay to make 10000x that.

Whether you think you are or aren’t smart enough, you’re right!

If you want to do it, read up and just try it. Throw a Linux install on an old desktop or laptop and try to follow a guide and make it work. It seems daunting, but most anyone can follow a guide and get to a usable product.

$14-30/month in subscriptions is $168-360/year.

You likely spend more than that a year on what you host (I know my power alone is going to run higher than that), but the monetary cost doesn’t cover the joys of the hobby, the knowledge aquired, and the fact that your shit still works even after the Internet goes out

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It’s alleged until the appeals stop, then it’s the final verdict

It’s only alleged until the verdict drops. Whether or not they appeal, they are currently found guilty of the crime, ergo, not “alleged”.